Join us for Episode 17 of CGCast, where hosts Olivier, Simon, Franklin, and Ben dive deep into the world of digital art and gaming with a focus on the Xbox update and the recent CG contest. They discuss submission strategies, rendering challenges, and
the intricacies of creating compelling character journeys for the upcoming CG challenge theme centered around small characters embarking on epic journeys. The conversation spills over into broader tech topics like Microsoft's Origami tablet, 3D tracking
software advancements, and the future of procedural game design. With a dash of humor and insightful critiques, they explore everything from gaming trends to software limitations, offering listeners practical tips and engaging discussions for both
aspiring and seasoned artists and gamers. Don't miss out on this packed episode filled with creativity, tech insights, and friendly banter!
This episode promises a blend of technical deep dives, creative brainstorming, and casual chat, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of digital art and gaming technology.
Welcome everybody to the 17th episode of CGCast.
Today with me I have Simon, Franklyn, and Ben.
Today's like what? Today's the 5th of March, 2006.
So we've been doing this for a while.
I think I started in September or something.
It's a few months.
Anyways, the first topic for today,
we'll be talking about Expose 4, how everybody...
Oh, who the hell is listening?
What's up?
That's actually my dad.
That's a door sign.
Dude, this isn't me.
It's my dad.
Go tell him to shut up.
I can't bother editing this.
We've gone too far.
What's up?
Anyways, the first topic for today's Expose 4 how the
call of entries is over.
So did any of you guys enter?
I wanted to, but didn't.
Why not?
Because I'm not good enough.
What do you say?
You never know, there might be a judge that just loves your
style and says,
yes, I want this image in the book.
You know what I'm saying?
I'll do the next book, maybe.
They always say that's the next book, the next book,
but they never submit anything.
Take the chance when it's there.
Anyway, I submitted my images, and I hope I get in.
Probably one, but...
How many did you submit?
I don't know, a bunch.
The best one I sent was the rose I did, you know,
the rejection letter and stuff.
I'm sorry, but no.
Yeah.
How big do you have to render it?
3,200 by 240.
That's as big as I got the rows.
Did that take you a while?
It took me a day with mental ray.
Wow.
But the other ones I couldn't
with V-Ray.
V-Ray was being such a bitch.
Kept crashing and giving errors.
Sad to run as a mouth small.
Do you have the final up on CGCast?
The what?
Do you have the final render on forums?
Actually, no. I just did this.
It was up the entire night, rendering really big,
just like the night before the deadline, rendering it as
big as I could.
I went into Photoshop and fixed it up and everything,
so it kind of looks different from the versions I have on
my site.
I think it looks better.
I hope you look suitable.
What? There was no textures wrong with the rose.
What was wrong with the rose?
It looked a little waxy.
Well, I think Photoshop fixed that.
I changed it.
I'll send you the link later.
But it's a very small thumbnail.
Anyways, next is the contest.
Anybody entering the contest?
I may yet still join, but I haven't yet.
And I probably won't.
Wait, hold on.
Before this next CG challenge on CG Talk or CG Societies,
the journey begins.
Let me read from it.
Your mission, should you choose to accept this in this
challenge.
In this challenge and traits,
entrance must depict a scene that encapsulates
pretty sure everybody uses encapsulates every day it's my
new favorite word encapsulate encapsulate
encapsulates the emotion and trappings of character of a
character or group setting
us an epic journey final words must demonstrate the final i
can't read the final works must
demonstrate a depth of story in a view that shows the
characters up close and the journey beyond
This can be metaphorical, though it must be clear, without
any explanation, how the image depicts a character depart
ing on a great journey.
The key theme of this challenge is to portray the emotions
of a character or characters about to embark on some kind
of journey.
It is recommended that entrants focus on physically small
characters.
But why? It's unfair.
Bugs, hobbits, elves, children, fairies, birds, animals,
micro-robots, whatever.
In a foreground setting against a fastback drop of epic
proportions.
Nice comparison.
What do you guys think about that?
It's unstoppable.
Yeah, it's certainly an interesting theme.
Yeah, it's a theme open for a ton of cliché.
Seriously, how many knights are we going to see getting
ready for battle?
Well, let's see a micro robot.
That's a nanobot.
I'm stuck.
Yo, but seriously, the only thing, I don't know,
what I would do is like a woman giving birth.
What?
A woman giving birth.
It's a little child.
It's deep.
Somebody else would do it.
But I don't want to look at the reference images.
I'd probably end up with a lot.
But the prizes are pretty good.
There's $50,000 worth of prizes
distributed between 16 people.
You can get a new computer if you win.
Easy, you know the books.
Actually, I'd rather win second runner-up
than first runner-up.
I'd rather have max eight than minus seven.
So that's weird.
So you guys have any ideas you want to throw away at this?
I give you my birthing idea.
Adjourn.
the journey
the journey
begins
I went to
May 27th
so I have
quite a bit of time
everything that I've
thought of
was a cliche
exactly
that's the problem
this thing is
just too prone
to cliche
some good stuff
on the community
award
if you talk a lot
you can get a
free soft image
XSI
version 5
edition
I'm just
trying to buy that
so I might
actually just
join the challenge
and I'm going to
be doing that
and win that prize
500 bucks not so bad i wish max was 500 probably have
version 8 stuff what does max go for now
then it's like 3 500 bucks and you add a thousand something
for the subscription
yeah but you can oh if you have this you can get it cheaper
you could always uh get the student
version yeah but does it does the student license limit the
resolution you can render at or
something does it have any limits at all besides not being
able to sell stuff made from it well
does anybody know i don't know i was looking in the
discrete website and it's well autodesk
website and didn't say anything if anybody knows please
kindly send me an email i would love to
know xsi you can get it on a student license and you can
get the full version not just foundation
on student license for like really dirt cheap like a couple
hundred dollars and i was gonna
go straight but you have to have been in the course for
something like six weeks
so in the course i've been in the course six or five months
yeah that's what i like max well okay
uh anybody knows if a student things have uh limits
limitations or whatever kindly send an
email archer at cgcast.com we'd love to know if it does i
'll probably try and get xsi probably
we're on something new that i missed the renders okay so
that's it no more nobody have has any
ideas to throw away franklin what goes on in the mind of
franklin well i was actually um kind of
interested in the robot idea the journey the robot has
nothing to journey it has no free will
it's artificial intelligence well well that's the challenge
right to give um completely mechanical
characters in life well journey to the to the charger to
the outlet yeah you build some character
around and you know give it some significance well the
journey of those little spider bots
well the octopus octopus bots in the matrix the journey to
zion the sentinels yes those things
Journey Begins to Zion
it's not very original but yeah
anyways you guys see Spore
yeah oh yeah
yeah I read it
that's pretty awesome
I really want that game
I'm not sure I do
because you're wrong and I'm right
I'm kidding
no no it's great
but it's just the way that the game's kind of put together
it's going to be one like on the sandbox games
that once you've done everything that you can do
to like break it
or make stuff
or once you've done everything cool you'll just get bored
of it like yes but that applies for
everything the only thing is how long will it take you to
get bored it depends because if it's
in as much detail as in the demo but for full game then it
could be good but if it's just what's in
the demo it wouldn't last very long but that demo is pretty
old i think that demo is from e3
and just are released pretty sure it's more elaborated than
binaural i mean you start off
single cell organisms and you go out
and you can blow up planets.
I'm pretty sure they skipped quite a bit
in that demo to keep it 35 minutes.
I like the whole procedural
animation bit. That was pretty cool.
I wish they did that in CG, man.
Well, they are trying to make a system like that.
It costs mucho money, man.
And orphan
or whatever.
I was just thinking how bad that is for the people working
at EA.
Because like,
managers are going to see it and be like,
wow, you can do that in one game.
Why don't we do it in all the games?
In fact, why don't we take that technology,
put it all in the games,
and then fire half the company?
And being A, they'll probably do it.
I don't think they could get, like,
very specific animations with that.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, the creature kind of warped a bit,
like, disjointedly, didn't it?
Yeah, well, the creatures,
we don't have anything to reference them to,
so the animation can be as badly unrealistic as possible,
and we won't care.
But having, like, procedural animations for, like, people,
That would be awesome.
It makes me feel like crowds and stuff.
Have you guys played the movies?
It's a really cool computer game called The Movies by Iron
head Studios.
Yeah, Peter Molyneux.
Yeah, Peter Molyneux.
And you make movies.
Yes, cool.
No, but seriously, first you have to beat the game,
and then you get all the props and technology.
You start the game in black and white cameras,
sucky actors, sucky props.
But once you reach 2006, you get all the cool technology.
And when you beat it, there's a sandbox mode.
And it's very, very vast.
So if you're planning to make a short,
you can do a storyboard with the movie,
and you can see things that some of the scenes you can't.
They're missing a few things.
If you want to kill somebody,
like make somebody jump off a building,
I'm not sure you can do that.
I was trying.
But there's some specific things that you might want
that you can't do.
You can do workarounds, but I think it's still pretty cool.
I tried to storyboard some of my movies that I want to make
for school,
but my movies are weird, so I can't really do it with that.
But maybe if I make a normal movie, I could probably do a
storyboard with it.
It's pretty cool. It teaches you a lot about cinema.
Teach you anything about Uwe Boll?
You can make movies as bad as Uwe Boll.
It's pretty cool.
Did he have a demo out?
What?
The movies?
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
But the cool thing is you can submit your movies to the
internet, to their online thing,
and then other people can watch it and they vote on it and
all of that.
Can't put subs.
I've seen some of the fan-created movies.
There was a really cool World War II one.
American Soldier falls in love with a Russian.
Can you load your own models into it?
No, I don't think so.
But there's a lot of diversity.
There's a lot of costumes.
You have futuristic costumes, World War II, normal, casual.
Costumes from the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90
s.
Can you make your own costumes?
No, I don't think so.
I'm sure you'll be able to.
There's a modding scene or something.
Lionhead, if you submit movies and stuff, they give you
like,
I don't remember what the currency is,
but they give you some points or whatever to buy some new
props and new sets.
There's lots of sets, so it's really cool.
You can make whatever movie you want.
I give it two thumbs up.
If you're interested, check it out.
Anyways, back to Spore.
Spore.
I wonder how they keep everything calculated.
It must really be CPU intensive because if they have
everything being tracked
in the entire universe at one time, how one planet is
progressing and all of that.
I wonder how they do that.
Yeah, I was thinking about that.
It must, like, pause one of them or something or just do it
really roughly.
Actually, talking about procedural games,
someone posted one on the thread.
A first-person shooter, right?
Yeah, called Krieger or something.
Yeah, it has a weird name.
It's like a few kilobytes.
Yeah, it was 96 kilobytes.
I was like, what the hell?
And it's a full-racking shooter.
Okay, it's not exactly that good,
but it's a good proof of concept.
The thing with procedural games,
they take more to calculate,
the longer to calculate.
But maybe in the future,
All the games will be procedural.
Procedural AI.
It actually learns.
It learns, frankly.
It learns.
I don't know about all the games being procedural.
It won't work for every type of genre.
Why not?
Well, think about it.
If you want to build a story around your character,
like if you want descriptive events and stuff like that,
where you want a certain type of character
with a certain type of texture,
certain type of animation,
procedural won't really work too well there.
I didn't say it had to be random.
The textures could be procedural.
Could be...
No, you want...
Procedural means like calculated on the fly.
Yeah, I know, I know.
But if you wanted something, you know,
from an artistic perspective,
you want to have complete control of the texture.
You can have complete control with procedural.
It doesn't have to be random.
Yes, it changes from an OCD point of view.
Procedural, you want to actually paint it.
Why would you want to phase everything?
I think it's probably a good thing
considering that games you're now needing like you know
thousands of props just for like one level or
something because you know game is getting really picky now
and if if half of those objects could
just be made from other objects or they can generate their
own textures and you just save
yourself half the work exactly and games would be cheaper
and i wouldn't have to buy them second
hand at the thrift shops i'm serious half my gamecube
collection is bought from the thrift shop
That was terrible.
Hey, the piece of plastic cost me 50 francs extra.
No, thank you.
The wrapper cost me 55, 50 francs extra.
No, thank you.
You should buy them from the publishers
because if you don't, then no one's getting any money for
it.
And then people in the industry don't get any money for it
and then they go out of business
and then you've ruined people's lives.
It's important.
It's a pincer if you're all.
Okay, you're shuffling.
You have a choice.
100 francs.
100 francs.
That's $80.
$80.
What?
For a GameCube game, or would you pay 20 francs for a GameC
ube game that was played by one kid?
The game was probably in English.
He couldn't read English.
It's a French country.
Couldn't read English, so he decided to sell it.
Why'd you want to play GameCube, Jinx?
My GameCube rocks, man.
There's Metroid, Prime, best first-person shooter ever.
Half-Life can eat its heart out.
There's Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Pikmin, Eternal Darkness.
have Metal Gear Solid.
So that's a good game.
Well, I'm not much of a gamer,
so I don't really know.
Super, you're working.
I'm working too.
I don't know why, but yeah.
Anyways, we're going off topic.
Yeah.
So imagine all the games being procedural,
like all the objects being built there.
You could show lots of worlds and have...
Everything would be interacted with physics.
Yeah.
A lot of the physics cars.
Unreal Tournament 2007 is supposed to be supporting that.
Nice.
yeah the idea a gx or whatever it's called um what it does
it gives you more frames per second
it calculates everything much faster so that should be
interesting have you seen them oblivion
old schools for me that's not that's i really want to play
that that's coming out on the 20th
of march i really want that game thing is um as like
procedural like eventually it could get to
the point where the story itself
could be a procedural thing
because the characters might...
I guess we're getting into
50 years time or something. The story being
procedural, that's what I think
Franklyn was talking about. I don't want the
story to be procedural.
If it's a good story, I wouldn't mind.
Yeah, that's the thing. It probably won't
be a good story. It would be better than
Doom 3 story.
Doom 3 is a procedural
story.
Just go to Mars.
Well, I actually had a bit of a story, like read all the P
DAs and listened to all the logs.
Okay, somebody answer the phone.
No, I had a...
If she listened to all the PDAs and logs and all that stuff
, it was interesting.
Yeah, but I played by three levels of the demo and then
decided not to buy it.
I have. It's pretty cool.
And some of the bosses are awesome.
They're like the plasma gun effects.
Anyways, we're off topic.
Have you guys seen the Project Origami?
like Microsoft
or yeah
is that their rival
to the iPod
actually the iPod
can go to hell
I really
they don't care
about the iPod
or the iPod
video
visually it has
yeah I actually see it
as more as a rival
to a PSP
or something like that
no
you guys
it's a rival
to a tablet PC
PDA
because
they got
selling tablet PCs again
because the iPod
is horrible
because it needs
to have
ACC tracks
and then if you
put your iPod
on a new computer, you lose all your music.
True. Yeah.
And it has that horrible DRM.
I will never, ever buy
an iPod. You drop it, you lose
300 bucks.
And I'm using iPod headphones right now
and they are not good
at all. Hypocrite.
What? I think...
You wear headphones in London, you're just asking
to get mugged. I have.
I have a creative
mp3 player and it sounds good.
That thing fell in the lake
with me was working underwater.
And it
sounds fantastic.
But anyways, I'm ranting here.
Yeah, let's get back to origami.
Yeah, the origami. Well, the video that they
showed is about a year old, so
hopefully they changed the
design of it. It probably looks better by now.
As long as it doesn't have any DRM on it,
I'll be happy.
It's running Windows XP.
It should be running Vista.
And it looks like it was running Halo,
So that means it has quite a bit of power.
I mean, not even my PC.
Well, I don't know how the PC was really buggy as hell.
So I don't know.
Bought it from a friend, played it for five minutes, uninst
alled it, and never looked back.
But yeah, so imagine you could like use 3D Max on that
while you're in the train.
You're going to work.
You can model something really quick or open Photoshop and
do a bit of painting.
That'd be pretty cool.
Yeah.
What do you show up with, like, a stylus?
Yes, if it's tablet PC, it would probably be Wacom
because I think they use, like, the Wacom technology.
Yeah, I've got that in my tablet.
The thing is, you paint something on it,
and then you load it up at your, like, home desktop,
and the colors will be, like, crap
because that's what I found with my tablet PC.
I think that if you use the remote connection,
you can change that.
You can put it to 32-bit colors.
I use the remote desktop with my mom's computer,
and the colors are the same.
Do you guys know if it's pressure sensitive?
If it's using the Wacom technology, probably it should be.
Yeah, but at least in 2 level.
No, it would be 256.
It's not 256? I don't know.
I don't know. I'm not a pressure sensitive master genius.
Now what else?
But you've seen the entire video was like interconnecting
with all the devices,
the cell phones, the cameras, all of that wirelessly.
Yeah.
How the hell is it going to do that?
Especially with the virus.
No, no, no, no.
I don't know any cameras that use Bluetooth.
Yeah, a cell phone that's Bluetooth.
I had my friend send me photos from his phone to my pocket
PC, no problem.
But a camera with Bluetooth?
Yeah, they're cameras with wireless connections and stuff.
All SLRs, though.
But are they fast?
I wouldn't know.
Oh, they must go at full speed.
Probably.
They'll probably be faster than using your SD card or
whatever.
We'd have to save on the SD card.
We'd need somewhere to...
I don't think we'd save directly to the origami.
would it?
I'm just saying that it would be faster to move it from the
camera
rather than taking the SD card out of the camera
and putting it in your PC.
I don't put the SD card in my PC.
I just transfer it with a USB cable.
Yeah, but that's slow as well.
Well, I find it slow anyway.
You would think USB would be faster than wireless.
Yeah.
USB 2 goes a couple of megabytes per second.
Wireless goes like 50, doesn't it?
Who knows how fast USB goes?
I don't know.
I think USB 2 goes really, really fast.
Faster than FireWire?
Yeah, it's 500 megabytes a second, I think.
Yeah, so it's faster than FireWire.
I'm pretty sure it's faster than wireless, than Wi-Fi.
But still, how can it communicate with everything?
I wonder, maybe Microsoft has big plans,
maybe they want to make a giant WiMAX network and run the
world.
And also, does all the origamis communicate with each other
?
Oh, God.
Can you imagine one person gets a virus on the train,
and everyone has to borrow a spread time to get off.
Well, in the future, I think they'll probably put Windows V
ista on it.
Yeah, it's going to be probably at least a couple months.
No, because it's been delayed so long.
Maybe Microsoft is putting effort, you know?
Hopefully they are.
I heard a rumor that all the old Xbox games will work on
Windows Vista.
That'd be cool.
That'd be very cool.
Another thing, how are you going to get your programs on to
the origami?
If it has no optical drive, you just use a program,
like a virtual drive to put all your programs on there.
No, I tried that with my tablet PC,
but every disk now has rootkits or something on it
that looks for cloning programs and such, so there's no
point.
Doom 3 did that with clone CD.
I used to backup my CDs with clone CD and I had to un
install clone CD.
Oh, I had that, yeah, just to open a CD.
and I wasn't even trying to copy it.
No.
Just to run it on my computer.
I had to uninstall everything I had
from all my backup systems as well.
Like legitimate backup programs.
Yes, but Front City went out of business,
but Alcohol, there's a program called Alcohol 120%.
No, yeah, we used that one.
And that has no problems with any of the game
or any of the backups or anything.
In Honduras, the CDs used to get cancer,
where we used to call it cancer,
where, like, the metal,
the metal part would just, like,
rust or something, so...
Yeah, peel off.
No, when peeled off,
it was like a pattern.
It was like a worm
walked all over the CD.
So I had to back up my CDs
all the time.
Yeah, it's nasty.
A CD's only nasty, like, two years.
Have you read all the articles
about everyone who's...
I have some CDs
that are much older than two years,
so it depends.
Oh, yeah, I suppose it depends
on, like, the quality and stuff,
But that's kind of worrying because like DVDs,
I'm buying a massive collection of DVDs
and they're not going to be working in 20 years or
something.
So I don't know.
I have everything saved on a RAID.
No, what is it?
It's a SCSI hard drive.
All my stuff was saved on two hard drives.
On my main hard drive and my backup hard drive.
So I have a few other things on CDs.
So if something messes up, I have three options.
It's better be safe than sorry.
So I wonder what else the origami could be.
could do besides that i wonder if it'd be strong enough to
do video editing on premiere wow i mean
that would be some bleepers yeah yeah you have the stylus
and you use those cuts
if you could be on site taking pictures and then compos
iting it in ae or something like
on the go that would be amazing aster effects is slow as
hell man even on my computer
It's what?
Slow.
After effect.
Oh.
Well, which version do you have?
That's not a croissant.
I don't know.
It's version 6.
6.5?
Yeah.
I didn't get the new version.
That's actually the fastest version I know of.
I don't know.
I feel much more comfortable in Premiere.
Well, Premiere doesn't really let you do a lot.
Yeah, but for what I'm doing, I'm doing mostly student
films.
My school wants me to use Final Cut.
Final Cut just feels very bad.
I don't like it.
So I'm stuck with Premiere.
And I like Premiere.
I haven't had no problems with Premiere.
I've done basic stuff.
I'm not going out of doing super special effects
because normally I have to make one movie in a week.
Yeah, so no time for that.
But if I could do, like,
I spend like an hour every day waiting for the train.
If I could be doing something productive
with that on the origami
because my pocket PC could never, ever run Premiere.
I'm sure you could do image manipulation on it.
Yeah, in the video, they had like a sketch pro or something
.
So you could do that.
But if you could do hardcore video editing, that would be
so awesome.
It would have a firewire output.
I would just record it directly from my video camera onto
the origami
and just do it there.
That would be so cool.
I'd imagine that it's going to be a little pricey.
They said it would be like under $1,000.
Wow.
I don't know.
Well, hopefully, maybe Microsoft.
Microsoft has money.
I think it's showing off your portfolio and stuff,
like business meetings and interviews and stuff.
I could do that with my pocket PC.
I love my pocket PC.
It's better than any PSP or iPod video.
Not as good as my tablet PC, then.
Well, I have six.
Well, can your tablet PC fit in your pocket?
We've had this conversation.
Exactly.
Size matters, man.
Anyways, Franklyn, is there something you wanted to say?
About the origami?
No, about compositing and stuff, whatever.
Oh, yeah, I wanted to talk about 3D trackers
because there's a really interesting 3D tracker out there.
It's kind of old, but I thought I'd just plug it here
anyway.
I know nothing about 3D tracking.
Enlighten me.
Okay, well, what the 3D tracker does,
it selects certain points in your scene with high contrast
so that it can track it.
So if you have something like a marker on the ground, it'll
track that.
And then you set various markers and according to how these
markers move,
it'll calculate a virtual camera for you that moves exactly
like the original camera used in the footage.
Now with the new programs that are coming out here, they
just automatically set these points.
They analyze the footage and they find certain points of
high contrast that they can track.
And they totally automate the whole process.
Of course, sometimes it doesn't give you all that good
results, but it's pretty interesting.
Interesting.
So I was listening to Twit.
It's another podcast called This Week in Tech.
And we were talking about 3D trackers also, about Bijou or
whatever.
And that they're having a cheaper version, but not allowed
to make money from it.
It's an educational version.
And there was one of the guys, he works on Star Wars and
stuff.
and he was joking that in the first Jurassic Park,
when they were making that movie,
that tracking, all of that had to be done by hand.
So whenever he saw any of the 3D dinosaurs,
the camera would just stop moving.
Every time he'd see the camera be moving around,
panning and all that,
as soon as he'd see a virtual dinosaur,
the camera just does not move at all.
Yeah.
I guess 3D tracking allows for a lot more flexibility these
days.
As far as VFX is concerned,
You can have really dynamic shots and still be able to
track it.
It brings in realism too, doesn't it?
Because when the camera's moving, your eyes are going all
over the place.
So if the camera's still, you just focus on the graphics
and then you see the left 8 and then they just stick out.
There's a moving camera.
Don't abuse moving cameras.
I'm doing cinema class and I have had friends abuse the
moving camera,
abuse zooming, and it's horrible.
Yeah, I've seen students overdo it.
that's why I tripod so I love my tripod about moving
cameras I was one time I was filming
outside in Lausanne and the day we decided to go filming is
the coldest day of the year it was
horrible and um and my friend was holding the camera we're
filming the movie and when we show
the teacher it was like what the hell Gilles were you sh
ivering because the camera was shaking so
much and after that i got a tripod but it was so cold that
night when we had to go into a bar
and i had to put my hands under hot water and that was so
painful but yes winter rocks anyways
anything else franklin oh yeah i just want to plug the
university of hanover that's developing
this totally free bujut camera tracker so if you guys like
to play around with camera tracing just
go down to the site and download your tracker.
What's the site?
Well, I'll put it in the notes.
It's kind of weird.
Just say it there.
I don't think it really checks the notes.
If you throw it out, send me an email.
I would like to know if I'm just wasting my time or not.
I'm adjusting.
It's digilab.uni-hanoverhanobr.de.
Okay, that's easy to remember.
Okay.
but normally do you know how much a tracker a tracking
program costs aren't they like really
expensive oh yeah um there's this commercial tracker called
pf track i think it's quite
pricey you know how much um anyways um since the show's
almost over it's time to like say some
stuff like there's a cgcast chat it's chat.cgcast.com and
you can join there are a few people that join
In the room now, there's Alex K.
I'm in there, but I'm not really talking.
There's Elise in the room.
There's Kelna, Vivek, Sakos.
Simon is always in the room.
Don't piss him off.
He's a mod, so he can kick you.
And Leigh was in the room.
And a lot of other people in the room.
This is good fun.
We chat.
We have fun.
We make fun of Italians.
We make fun of the Swiss and the uniform they have to wear
to protect the pope and all that stuff.
There's also the running joke about Simon's nano-wheelie.
And what else?
I don't know, it's playful.
Yeah, it's fun.
There's a lot of atmosphere in the chat,
so join, tell your friends and stuff.
Oh yeah, the chat doesn't really like Firefox.
Yeah, I noticed.
Use Opera or Internet Explorer.
You can get Internet Explorer 7 from Microsoft,
and it's really, really good.
It has tabs and there's a quick search bar.
I think it handles the tabs better than Firefox.
It handles them kind of like Opera, which is nice.
There's a thing where you can see all the websites you're
looking at on the same screen.
There's thumbnails all the sides and that's pretty cool
also.
It has RSS feed integration.
That's a new design and it's very nice.
I know a bunch of you guys, I know most of you hate
Internet Explorer, but I like it.
I like Internet Explorer, but I don't like Firefox.
I like IE.
It's good.
I don't like Firefox.
I'd rather use Opera.
It's good that more people are using a collection of
browsers now
because it stops viruses spreading.
I've never gotten a virus through a browser.
You get many viruses by opening attachments.
Stupid piece.
I know.
Weird.
Well, you get these Java viruses or whatever.
The ActiveX dialers and stuff.
I stopped going to porn sites.
Do you remember going to one porn site?
No, I've seen it before.
illegal stuff anyways um and there's a and so i've never
had a virus uh that's you don't lie
i don't lie well i've never had a vibes either wow well it
's just an ms blast everybody got the
ms blast yeah because yeah it's a funny joke um i was on
messenger and when i just got it i told
my friend hey go get the update really quick there's this
horrible virus going around and you
can't do anything to stop it and well except for getting
the microsoft update and he says yeah yeah
I'll get it later.
And five minutes later, he's asking me for the link
and saying he just got the virus.
So now anytime I warn him about something,
he checks it immediately.
You see, when I got the virus, I was on dial-up.
And so, like, I'd get on the internet,
then I'd have 30 seconds to fix my computer.
And so there's no way of me actually finding how to fix it,
which was a nightmare.
That's horrible.
My brother knows a code.
You can run a code in the run command,
and you can stop the shutdown.
It's like shutdown minus or something.
Well, there's a thing that crashed it,
which you can actually just set it so it doesn't reset
when it gets the virus, but yeah.
I couldn't find that out until I hit it on Insta,
which I couldn't do.
Yeah, it's the horrible thing.
The virus is horrible.
Oh, yeah, on the CGCast.com website,
I have an affiliate thing.
It's like an ad.
It's for Bluehost.
Like for seven bucks a month,
you can get 250 gigabytes of bandwidth
and 10 gigabytes hosting and whatever.
If you click on the banner and then you sign up,
I can get a little bit of cash
so I can pay for my really expensive train ticket every
month.
And if any of you guys do that,
I would really, really appreciate it.
Oh yeah, and the PF track costs 3,000 euros.
Is that euros or pounds?
3,000 pounds.
How expensive?
Pounds.
Yeah, but the interesting thing about PF track was
it was originally a free tracker like Voodoo,
But Pixel Farm decided to buy it out and it's no longer
available.
That sucks.
Yeah.
You know, there are a lot of people that are saying open
source software is bad.
I think Australia and France wants to ban open source
software.
Really?
Yeah.
Terrible.
And Bill Gates was saying that open source software
supports communism.
If you can get stuff for free.
Communism is not such a bad thing.
I don't see
okay I'm going off
a bit off topic
but I think communism
like the
the negative notion
of communism
is instilled by
the rich people
in America
saying that
communism is bad
because we have to
share our money
with you
you understand
you get what I'm saying
yeah
the theory of
communism is good
like
but in practice
it doesn't work
because people are lazy
no
people are greedy
and there's the rich people
that want to keep
the money to themselves.
See, it's the government. The government
has the money. They don't want to share it.
Look at Cuba.
It's up to the lazy people who
won't work. Well, send them to
prison, like in Switzerland. If you don't want
to do military service, well, you go to prison.
Prison's good for them
because I don't want to do anything
Oh, I get a free house and
free this. Yeah, you drop the soap in the
shower and you get to free something else.
Trust me,
frozen ain't nice.
at all and the food is horrible.
Have you been there?
I spent a day there
but that's a different story.
And I did my one day
of military service.
I'm out of military service now
so that's good.
And why is that?
Because I'm mentally unstable.
Aren't we all?
I know where you live, Franklyn.
I'll come for you at night.
So I think that wraps up the show.
I've got some plugs.
Okay, plug.
Alright, first of all, if anyone's a good freelance
character modeler, I could really get you a good full-time
freelance job.
What type of job?
I do character.
It's sort of a mass multiplayer online RPG, but it's full-
time and you need ZBrush and Maya experience.
Maya?
Maya.
Sorry, I'm a mess.
I've announced things stupidly.
And I could also...
What?
Why Maya? Why not Max?
I don't know
yeah
it's not
it's not my job
I'm not giving it away
also
could do with
an environmental artist
or two
is that for you
or the same company
the same company
for that
email me at
19
I don't know why
it's their choice
I can't argue with them
but
yeah
drop me an email
at the outsource
that'll be in the notes too
yeah
and check out
outsource.com
out
slash
No, dash sourced.
Don't even know your own website.
It's sad.
Franklyn, any plugs?
Oh, yeah, I wanted to plug that tutorial site.
I just found a tutorial site that does breakdowns of VFX in
certain ads.
So if anyone's interested in VFX
and wants to check out how certain effects are done in ads,
they can go ahead and check out the site.
It's called CMIVFX.
CMIVFX.
I'll probably put that in the show notes.
All right.
Don't forget, people.
If you're looking for hosting, click go through it to my
affiliate banner.
Some of this is very expensive and I need your help.
And Google Ads does not want to help.
Promised them another interview with Leigh, wasn't he?
Yeah.
She said she'd come on another time.
She was in the most popular download.
Suppose I could get Roberto Ortiz soon.
I should try.
I sent him a PM.
He's up for it.
And Simon made me send a message to somebody who cannot do
an interview for physical reasons.
Thank you, Simon, for making me look...
I didn't know...
Thank you, Simon, for making me look stupid.
Apologies.
It's all right.
Okay, that's it.
Everything's over?
Okay, that's it.
Okay, bye.
Bye, bye, bye, everybody.
